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uberwoot
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 Posted - 08/30/2005 : 05:18:28 AM
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Well i just got a email back from Diversified Cryogenics and they told me they could Cryogenicly Harden Airsoft cases and gears bolth plastic and metal.
What is this you ask? Well This changes the structure of the metal or plastic to be allmost perfect about 99% perfect in some cases. This not only makes the parts last longer but makes then stronger, about 20-500% stronger than normal.
What does this mean for airsoft? Well it means the BE AUG could now handle much stiffer springs and could get upto the 280-320FPS mark without anything brakeing or whareing down. Outher things you can do is your barrel. heres the real crono results listed from a Mauser 98 actions with 75 grain hollow point bullet with 36.9 grains of IMR 3031 powder.
Befor Cryo after cryo
3207 3242
3164 3250
3196 3239
avrage avrage
3189fps 3240 fps
Real life numbers from just cryoing a guns barrel and this will happen on a airsoft gun but on a much smaller scale.
The price i was quoted was $5 per lb of meterial.
Now for some eye candy for you guys.
http://www.diversifiedcryogenics.com/After_Ruger_M77-med.gif
http://www.diversifiedcryogenics.com/After_AR-15-med.gif
http://www.diversifiedcryogenics.com/before-pattern2.gif
Q and A
Q Will you do this?
A Yes
Q If i send you my gears and stuff will you sned it out for me?
A No do it your self
Q It it worth it?
A $5 a lb is very cheep for how much stronger and better the stuff will be after.
Q Will this void my guns warenty?
A Nope there never gonna know unless they got a very high power microscope.
Q How long will it take?
A Usualy a week dapending on how busy they are it could be as long as a month.
Q Will you sell gearbox's that have been done?
A Nope
Q On a scale from 1-10 how high would you recamend this?
A 10, Your parts will be alot stronger, and as of right now this is the only upgrade that will let us use a stiffer spring without killing our guns.
For more information just google Cryogenicly Hardening and theress alot of places that do this and you can just e mail them direct for a quote on a price |
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joshbm
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Member Since: 08/18/2005 |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 09:29:39 AM
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So what would I need to send in? Would sending in JUST the gearbox cause problems once inserted back in the gun?
Also does anyone know how the LPEG metal gearboxes are coming along (Sigil?)? Because I would do this, but if the date for metal gearboxes are coming closer, I may hold out and do it when I get a metal gearbox.
Regards,
Josh |
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sgtwiltan
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Member Since: 08/17/2005 |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 09:33:16 AM
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Originally posted by joshbm
So what would I need to send in? Would sending in JUST the gearbox cause problems once inserted back in the gun?
Regards,
Josh
Solder cracks. I work in the computer field and even miniscule cracks can bring down the system. May not be so pronounced in airsoft but you'd be getting fewer rounds through per battery charge. |
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gregmattersen
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Member Since: 08/15/2005 |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 12:28:41 PM
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| I checked with CYMA/WELL, they said yesterday that the XL1 (Xm8) is delayed again, probably 2 months from now. |
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joshbm
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Posted - 08/30/2005 : 12:53:06 PM
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I meant how are these coming along? 
Regards,
Josh |
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ofpr
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Member Since: 11/28/2003 |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 1:15:06 PM
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| Thats it. Im giving up on the XM8. Ive been waiting long enough, im selling my TM AUG and buyinh a freaking utg mp5. |
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nijado
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Member Since: 05/14/2005 |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 3:09:22 PM
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| so can i send in my whole gearbox and barrel and get ever single peice on it cryoed for like 5 dollars? and will this allow me to put a tm spring in a be steyr aug? |
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darthbudge
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USA
Member Since: 08/23/2005 |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 7:42:40 PM
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tedtay17
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USA
Member Since: 01/09/2005 |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 9:21:46 PM
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Originally posted by ofpr
Thats it. Im giving up on the XM8. Ive been waiting long enough, im selling my TM AUG and buyinh a freaking utg mp5.
same for me except no tm aug to sell i like both about the same but i cant wait any longer and in two months it my birthday so meh hopefully utg here i come |
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Gil_87
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Member Since: 07/26/2004 |
Posted - 08/31/2005 : 01:43:06 AM
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quoted form "BlakeKleintop" at http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8936#92295
(on a different subject, but relating to our topic here...
"In case anyone was wondering - freezing doesn`t weaken *and* strengthen steel. Depending on the composition of the steel, cryogenic hardening may increase the strength and hardness of the metal, but can often be detrimental to the `toughness'. Toughness refers to a material's ability to resist fracture when a sudden stress is applied to it. Strength refers to how much stress can be applied before fracture or permanent deformation, and hardness is a measure of how hard something is. I don`t know anything about the Titanic, and I do believe most cryogenic hardening is done around -75 degrees Farenheit, but it sounds like the ship's toughness would be in question, not its strength.
Cryogenic hardening itself is a means to reduce the amount of austenite retained in high-alloy steels. (austenite is very brittle) Most alloys undergo full martensitic transformation when they`re quenched to room temperature though. So if there were any benefit to cryogenic hardening in a steel without retained austenite, it would probably be from formation of deformations in the material from thermal expansion."
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Same here:
www.duke.edu/~lag5/Independent%2520Study%2520Paper%2520-Cryogenics.doc+Cryogenically+Hardening+&hl=en" target="_blank">http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:9Pg4zJ0f0voJ:www.duke.edu/~lag5/Independent%2520Study%2520Paper%2520-Cryogenics.doc+Cryogenically+Hardening+&hl=en |
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the ROOB
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Member Since: 08/30/2005 |
Posted - 08/31/2005 : 12:35:17 PM
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this is just my not-so scientific opinion but I think this is a titanicly bad idea to bother with.
I doubt this process will produce the intended result, if it produces any notable result at all. Plastic is plastic and will never be 'hard as steel' no matter what sort of alchemy you use on it (you can't turn lead into gold either even though they are so close on the periodic table of elements).
best case scenario: you send in your stuff and get it back and it the gears mech and barrel are all 'stronger'. it performs the exact same as it used to and you really don't notice the difference except the gun never strips a gear as long as you have it (when you sell it for the next great thing and gripe about how no one will pay extra for your crazy cryo-upgrade claim)
more probably: you send in your stuff and get it back and you can't tell anything has been done at all, it eventually strips its gears or breaks in some other way and you feel 5 dollars poorer and a little wiser
even more probably: you get your mech back and everything looks the exact same except the process has minutely warped or defected some parts. It never fires right ever again (bad accuracy, lowerpower, or misfeeds or any combination of) and you rue the day you bothered with this idea
worst case scenario: the process makes the plastic more brittle than before and it strips and dies the SECOND you fire it the first time, and you rue.... oh you rue.
maybe, just maybe lpegs are lpegs, and just like lead, can never be alchemically turned into gold.
ROOB
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